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		<title>Chinese History Podcast: 10 Questions for Lazlo Montgomery</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There's a podcast out there for all you Sinophiles if you haven't seen it yet.  The Chinese History Podcast by Lazlo Montgomery is a jewel of a podcast in the caverns of iTunes and the interwebs.  If you haven't heard of it or if you haven't gone over to his site we would highly recommend it.  ]]></description>
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<div><a href="http://chinahistorypodcast.com"><img class="aligncenter" title="Chinese history podcast" src="http://chinahistorypodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/china_history_header.jpg" alt="china history header Chinese History Podcast: 10 Questions for Lazlo Montgomery" width="385" height="84" /></a>There&#8217;s a podcast out there for all you Sinophiles if you haven&#8217;t seen it yet.  <a href="http://chinahistorypodcast.com/" target="_blank">The Chinese History Podcast</a> by Lazlo Montgomery is a jewel of a podcast in the caverns of iTunes and the interwebs.  If you haven&#8217;t heard of it or if you haven&#8217;t gone over to his site we would highly recommend it.  Even MX likes his podcast and she can learn two things: history of her own country (not that she doesn&#8217;t know it but it&#8217;s 5,000 years, you can&#8217;t know it all!) and she can practice her English comprehension.  Mr. Montgomery clearly enjoys doing the show and loves imparting knowledge to all of his fans worldwide.</div>
<div>We had a quick conversation over e-mail a while back and this is part 1.  Part 2 will come later:</div>
<h4><strong>MandMx:  How did you get started podcasting?  Why not a blog (writing) or a book (more writing)?  What was the inspiration?</strong></h4>
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<p>Lazlo Montgomery: The initial inspiration was Bob Packett from the <a href="http://www.summahistorica.com/" target="_blank">History According to Bob </a>podcast.  He seemed like an ordinary guy in Kansas City who did this interesting thing by the seat of his pants and totally for the love of  the subject matter and the process.  After catching wind of a few more history podcasts and after waiting in vain for someone else to cover China, I opted to try it myself.  No one else would do it and so far no one has started any alternative to the CHP.  I thought a blog was too presumptuous of me in the face of all the real experts in China and the great writers of history.  My target is the person who is interested in China but probably won’t read a history book….or maybe even a China blog.  So an mp3 seemed the most suitable medium for this little idea.</p>
<h4><strong>MandMx:  What kind of traffic are you getting to the China History Podcast website and iTunes?</strong></h4>
<p><strong></strong>Lazlo Montgomery: I wish I knew.  Last night at a family function one of the brother-in-law’s told me there is a plug-in where you can get stats on your iTunes activity.  I don’t know if it’s 17 or 17 million.  It’s probably closer to 17.  The show always seems to be in the top 200 in the iTunes Store for the education category against some stiff competition.  In the China iTunes Store it seems to do quite good.  But how good, I have no idea.  My technical skills are limited unfortunately and no friends or relatives that I can rely on for free help.</p>
<h4><strong><strong>MandMx: </strong> Do you have many fans?  What are they saying?</strong></h4>
<p><strong></strong>Lazlo Montgomery: Since the day I started this I have not gotten one negative email from anyone.  They are always without fail, appreciative and filled with praise in one form or another.  I even have professors, journalists and scientists who listen and tell me how much they like it.  I’m amazed.  I also get some good ideas for topics.  Basically everyone is either Chinese thanking me for helping them polish up on their history and for the English practice or they are Westerners who just love China and want to learn or Westerners in China who just listen to see who is this strange guy?</p>
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<h4><strong><strong>MandMx:  </strong>Have you ever made a mistake about some historical issue or story?</strong></h4>
<p><strong></strong>Lazlo Montgomery: Two times that I know of.  First was in discussing the Chu-Han Contention between Liu Bang and Xiang Yu.  I wrongly said 楚河汉河 instead of 楚河汉界.  One of my Ningbo colleagues told me that one.  I have been too lazy to go back and change it.  But it’s on my list of things to do. The second one involved mispronouncing Laozi’s name. I said the 子 should be neutral but a Chinese listener informed me 应该是第三声.  I’m sure here and there I made a mistake or used the wrong tone when I mention the Chinese name for something.  I have an OCD about accuracy so I strive to give the facts.</p>
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<h4><strong><strong>MandMx: </strong> Where do you get all your information?  I don&#8217;t hear many sources (except for the Sir Robert Hart podcast) or am I just not listening carefully!?</strong></h4>
<p><strong></strong>Lazlo Montgomery: I just made an “executive decision” not to include these in the podcast.  Like in the Hart episode, if it’s something particularly worth mentioning, I’ll do it.  But for the most part I have a rather large China history library and all these internet resources.  One of my intentions is to put a page up on my site listing every single volume in my library with comments about which ones are particular good.</p>
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<h4><strong><strong>MandMx:</strong>  Do you write all that you say on the podcast?</strong></h4>
<p><strong></strong>Lazlo Montgomery: My daughter is in her 2nd year at Berkeley and she calls me up groaning about an essay or paper that is due.  I tell her I write a dang 8 to 10 page paper every single week so she isn’t going to get any sympathy from me.  I do all the research, note-taking, writing, proofreading and double checking tones, recording, editing and uploading.  No one helps me.  I improvise over the script or whatever you want to call it.  If you listen to my podcasts, they’re pretty straight-forward and I limit the editorializing and comments.</p>
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<h4><strong><strong>MandMx: </strong> Sometimes in your podcast you speak Chinese that is pretty good.  Where did you learn Chinese?</strong></h4>
<p><strong></strong>Lazlo Montgomery: May 1979 I saw an ad in the Daily Illini offering 2 semesters of Mandarin in an intensive summer school course.  So I stayed down in Champaign, IL during that summer and began my education.  China had just tied the knot with the US in January and Deng’s reforms were just getting underway.  The talk back in 1979-1980 was that sky’s the limit between US and China.  I dreamed to work for the Foreign Service.  But since 1989 I have worked for Chinese companies and have used Mandarin in my daily life so it never went stale on me and I keep learning a new word, phrase or whatever all the time.  Compared to some of these guys I listen to (like on the <a href="http://popupchinese.com/lessons/sinica" target="_blank">Sinica Podcast</a>), I’m like a pre-schooler.  Those guys are my Mandarin heroes!</p>
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<h4><strong><strong>MandMx: </strong> What are the top 5 websites that you go to for Chinese history?</strong></h4>
<p><strong></strong>Lazlo Montgomery: Wikipedia is good for dates and checking Pinyin and tones.  Usually I go to the bottom of the article and they list links to all their sources.  They’re from all over the place and I am too lazy to take note where I get what.  Google Books is invaluable. Mostly I use these books in my library and the internet usually is just a supplement.</p>
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<h4><strong><strong>MandMx: </strong> What are the top 5 historians that you use for the podcast?</strong></h4>
<p><strong></strong>Lazlo Montgomery: I use Jonathon D. Spence, John King Fairbank, F.W. Mote the most.  Then I have a whole bunch of other books but those three are my stalwarts.</p>
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<h4><strong><strong>MandMx: </strong> In your opinion, what makes Chinese history so interesting?</strong></h4>
<p><strong></strong>Lazlo Montgomery: To me and to so many other westerners it is interesting because it is both exotic and everyday at the same time. It’s so long and filled with all kinds of interesting stuff.  I believe (and I’m finding) there’s a huge pool of citizens all over the world who have this latent interest in all things China.  My little production is simply my two cents that I throw out there to help shore up the bridge of understanding between China and the US (or the west).</p>
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<h4><strong>My 7 favorite Chinese History Podcast shows.</strong></h4>
<p>1.  <a href="http://chinahistorypodcast.com/2010/06/china_history_podcast_003-the_four_great_inventions/" target="_blank">Four Great Inventions</a></p>
<p>2.  <a href="http://chinahistorypodcast.com/2010/09/china_history_podcast_013-li_ka_shing/" target="_blank">Li Ka Shing</a> &#8211; wealthiest Chinese in the world</p>
<div>3.  <a href="http://chinahistorypodcast.com/2011/01/china_history_podcast_027-tang_dynasty_part_3_-_5_dynasties_kingdoms/" target="_blank">Tang Dynasty part 3 5 Dynasties and 10 Kingdoms</a></div>
<div>4.  <a href="http://chinahistorypodcast.com/2011/05/china_history_podcast_044-the_chinese_exclusion_act_of_1882/" target="_blank">Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882</a></div>
<div>5.  <a href="http://chinahistorypodcast.com/2010/07/china_history_podcast_007-wu-zetian/" target="_blank">Wu Zetian</a> &#8211; Tang Dynasty Empress</div>
<div>6.  <a href="http://chinahistorypodcast.com/2011/09/china-history-podcast-058-sir-robert-hart/" target="_blank">Sir Robert Hart</a></div>
<div>7.  <a href="http://chinahistorypodcast.com/2011/06/china_history_podcast_046-the_may_4th_movement/" target="_blank">May 4th Movement </a></div>
<h4>Our own History posts from MandMx.com</h4>
<div>&#8211;We have <a href="http://www.mandmx.com/category/old-china-books/" target="_blank">Old China Books</a> where we excerpt sections from some old books about China.</div>
<div>&#8211;<a href="http://www.mandmx.com/2009/03/09/famous-women-in-china/" target="_blank">Women in Chinese History</a></div>
<div>&#8211;While Teaching English in China we did an activity where <a href="http://www.mandmx.com/2006/04/29/if-you-could-go-back-in-time/" target="_blank">students told us where they would go if they could go back in time</a>.  FUN READ!</div>
<div>&#8211;<a href="http://www.mandmx.com/2010/03/22/moment-in-history-brought-to-you-by-china/" target="_blank">Moment of history</a> brought to you by CHINA.</div>
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		<title>Old China Books: Becoming too Chinese</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Title: The Race Mind of the Chinese Author: Edward Alsworth Ross Source: The Independent Volume 71 Year Published: July &#8211; September 1911 Editor&#8217;s note about the author: Professor Ross, of the University of Wisconsin, recently made a tour of China for the purpose of studying the social conditions.  Now that the Middle Kingdom is in a [...]]]></description>
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<h4><a href="http://www.mandmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/old-china-books-logo2.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-2376 alignright" title="old-china-books-logo2" src="http://www.mandmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/old-china-books-logo2.jpg" alt="old china books logo2 Old China Books: Becoming too Chinese" width="318" height="318" /></a>Title: The Race Mind of the Chinese</h4>
<h4>Author: Edward Alsworth Ross</h4>
<h4>Source: The Independent Volume 71</h4>
<h4>Year Published: July &#8211; September 1911</h4>
<blockquote><p>Editor&#8217;s note about the author: Professor Ross, of the University of Wisconsin, recently made a tour of China for the purpose of studying the social conditions.  Now that the Middle Kingdom is in a state of transition due to the impact of foreign ideas upon its established civilizations the observations on the characteristics of the race by the author of &#8220;Social Psychology&#8221; are of especial interest to American readers.</p>
<p>&#8220;To forty-three men who as educators, missionaries and diplomats have had good opportunity to learn the &#8220;feel&#8221; of the Chinese mind I put the question, &#8220;Do you find the intellectual capacity of the yellow race equal to that of the white race?&#8221;  All but five answered &#8220;Yes,&#8221; and one sinologue of varied experience as missionary, university president and legation adviser left me gasping with the statement, &#8221;Most of us who have spent twenty-five years or more out here come to feel that the yellow race is the normal human type, while the white race is a sport.&#8221;   The trend of opinion is that when the Chinese have become equipped with the Western arts and sciences they will match us in intellectual performance, although some think that the gap in ability between the masses and the higher classes is much wider than it is in the West.</p>
<p><strong>It is significant that superior white men of long residence in China often become too Chinese in point of view to be of much service to their governments.  Sir Robert Hart was complained of as virtually a Chinaman.  Many of the consular veterans in the China service are said to champion the Chinese way of looking at things as against the Western.  It seems that little by little the civilization of the East invades and takes possession of them.  </strong>In the finer Chinese they discover an outlook more comprehensive than their own, a broad tolerance and a philosophic patience that makes mock of the eager impetuous West.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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<p>This is in response or an add-on to the great <a href="http://chinahistorypodcast.com/" target="_blank">China History Podcast</a> from <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/LaszloCHP" target="_blank">Lazlo Montgomery</a> who did a recent podcast on <a href="http://chinahistorypodcast.com/2011/09/china-history-podcast-058-sir-robert-hart/" target="_blank">Sir Robert Hart</a>.  A great podcast and a great episode.  I think if you listen to the podcast it will prove Professor Ross wrong that Sir Robert Hart was incredibly useful to his government and to the Chinese government.</p>
<p>We have tons more of these &#8220;<a href="http://www.mandmx.com/category/old-china-books/" target="_blank">OLD CHINA POSTS</a>&#8221; here on MandMx.com</p>
<p>Book found here: page 526-528<br />
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		<title>China Books: Grace: An American Woman in China 1934-1974</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this book the other day and really look forward to reading it.  The basic story is about an American woman from Chattanooga Tennessee who fell in love and married a Chinese man in the 1930s. She went to live with him in Tianjin and the book contains her stories and her many long [...]]]></description>
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<p><img class="alignleft" src="http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1178382053l/790165.jpg" alt="790165 China Books: Grace: An American Woman in China 1934 1974" width="265" height="400" title="China Books: Grace: An American Woman in China 1934 1974" />I found this book the other day and really look forward to reading it.  The basic story is about an American woman from Chattanooga Tennessee who fell in love and married a Chinese man in the 1930s.</p>
<p>She went to live with him in Tianjin and the book contains her stories and her many long letters home to her family.  One of the letters talks about her travel plans from Vancouver to Shanghai.  While on board the boat she felt sick and decided to change her plans and sent cables to alert her husband.  But by the time they arrived first in Japan she felt fine and then wanted to take a boat from Japan to Tianjin which was her original plan.  There was a huge mix up of cables and waiting times and all those things that we modern people don&#8217;t worry about anymore right?  I mean with mobile phones today we never have a problem meeting with friends&#8230; right?</p>
<p>This American woman named Grace lived in China during the Japanese occupation, the fall of the Nationalists and up to the Cultural Revolution.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quote from a letter she wrote in January of 1950 which explains her process of writing a letter which is fascinating to read nowadays since people don&#8217;t write letters anymore!</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;I know I&#8217;ve been very bad about writing.  I am lazy sill and prefer thinking my letters in my head after I go to bed rather than getting them down on paper and mailing them.  Sometimes one doesn&#8217;t write because there not much to write about and sometimes there too much.  Mine is the latter difficulty.  To pick just enough to put into a letter out of all the upheavals and interesting events we have been experiencing is not easy and I can&#8217;t sit down and write only ordinary family events.&#8221;</p>
<p>This looks to be a great book that I can&#8217;t wait to read!  This is also a great gift for that someone who is about to go to China or is thinking about it!</p>
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There are so many links out there talking about this book:<br />
<a href="http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-1-56947-314-6">Publisher&#8217;s Weekly</a><br />
<a href="http://bluerectangle.com/book_reviews/view_one_review/2315">Blue Rectangle</a> has a book review along with a video!<br />
Over at <a href="http://www.speakingofchina.com/ask-the-yangxifu/books-chinese-men-western-women-love/">SPEAKING OF CHINA </a>they have a list of books that are about Chinese men and their Western Wives.  This book doesn&#8217;t appear on the list but it is included in a comment!</p>
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		<title>Old China Books: View of the Bund in Shanghai a Long Time Ago</title>
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<h3>English Life in China<br />
by Sir Henry Knollys<br />
Copyright 1885</h3>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">&#8220;As we enter the Yellow Sea, the hitherto blue water assumes the colour and consistency of pea-soup; we steam a short distance up the Yang-tsze-Kiang River, the mere pronunciation of which brings on a sore throat, and arriving at its confluent the Hwangpoo, are transferred to a tug to enable us to cross the rapidly silting-up Woosung bar, which subsequently assumed importance as a tactical obstacle to French operations. We paddle through slime, amidst darkness and bitter cold, for about ten miles to Shanghai.  Here some dozen brilliant meteors, the last efforts of that electric light which here, as elsewhere, succeeded in enriching the directors and impoverishing the shareholders, reveal some large English buildings standing out in weird distinctness through the surrounding darkness, and the scene is rendered still more striking by the sudden influx of swarms of hideous chattering Chinese coolies springing on board from the adjacent wharf, like a flock of sheep through a gap.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love the descriptive words of the rivers: blue water, pea-soup, slime  and rapidly silting.</p>
<p>The book can be found <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=CHNCAAAAIAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false" target="_blank">here.</a></p>
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		<title>Old China Books: Explaining How the Chinese Ate</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Things Chinese: Being Notes on Various Subjects connected with China By James Dyer Ball Year Published: 1893 &#8220;In the South of China, rice is the principal vegetable food, but instead of vegetables being an adjunct to the meat, as with us, the meat is taken as a tasty article with the rice, which is the [...]]]></description>
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<h4 dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.mandmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/old-china-books-logo2.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2376" title="old-china-books-logo2" src="http://www.mandmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/old-china-books-logo2-300x300.jpg" alt="old china books logo2 300x300 Old China Books: Explaining How the Chinese Ate" width="300" height="300" /></a>Things Chinese: Being Notes on Various Subjects connected with China</h4>
<p>By James Dyer Ball</p>
<p>Year Published: 1893</p>
<p>&#8220;In the South of China,  rice is the principal vegetable food, but instead of vegetables being  an adjunct to the meat, as with us, the meat is taken as a tasty article  with the rice, which is the staple article of diet. Either dried, salt,  or fresh vegetables are eaten at nearly every meal.</p>
<p>The Chinese, like the French, have  nominally two meals, one about 8 or 10 o&#8217;clock in the morning, and the  other at 5 or 6 in the evening or thereabouts. With the poorer classes  these consist of a number of bowls of rice—cooked till so dry that each  grain is separate—a little pork or fish, salt or fresh, and some fried  vegetables. Everything of meat kind is chopped up fine, as the  Chinese would think it barbarous to cut up anything at the table, and  also to enable the chop-sticks to pick it up readily. A drink of tea  from the rice-bowl finishes the frugal meal. The dinner is the same as  the breakfast. This then is the ordinary everyday food of millions in  the South of China, and costs only about a  couple of dollars a month. The more a man has, the more he expends on  his food, both as regards quality and quantity, and, as a consequence,  he has a more varied fare. Though nominally only taking two set meals a  day, nearly everyone takes a snack about the middle of the day, it may  be only a few cakes, as the Chinese clerks in the Government offices in  Hongkong indulge in; it may be a bowl of fish congee, or some other  tasty soup or dish from the numerous restaurants, or from some of the  many refreshment stalls, stationary and peripatetic.</p>
<p>Some of the hard-toiling labourers, when  there is a constant demand on physical strength or muscle, take a number  of meals to prime them up for their work, such for instance as some of  the boatmen on the rivers in the South of China,  who work from daylight to sunset, and to whom five meals a day are  allowed, when in work.</p>
<p>Chinese food, like French, does not consist of roasts,  but of a multitude of made-up dishes. Peanut oil and soy are added to  them, and soups and broths are much taken.</p>
<p>The Chinese, as far as their own food is  concerned, are &#8216;born cooks. Among the lower classes almost any man can  turn his hand to preparing the simple dishes, and in workmens&#8217; messes it  is the youngest hand (the apprentice) who has the drudgery of the  cooking to do.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Is it true that today all Chinese are born cooks? </em></p>
<p><em>Do you think that the Chinese are like the French?</em></p>
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<p>Connect with us on twitter so you can see our tweets about everything China and get updates when our new comics are posted.</p>
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<p>We have a couple squidoo pages that are pretty cool.  We have three now.  <a href="http://www.squidoo.com/ChineseComicsOnline" target="_blank">Comics</a>, <a href="http://www.squidoo.com/SpeakShanghainese" target="_blank">Shanghainese podcast</a>, <a href="http://www.squidoo.com/OldBooksAboutChina" target="_blank">Old China Books</a>.</p>
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<p>This is another great way to connect with my TUMBLR friends.</p>
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<p><strong>This is the best way to connect with MandMx.com. </strong>We post our cartoon links there and the occasional comment.  This is also a great way to ask questions about a cartoon that you don&#8217;t understand.  Perhaps readers who see your questions can also answer the questions!</p>
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<p>This is our site on YouTube where you can see all our videos of our little boy studying Chinese.</p>
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<p>The Chinese version of YouTube.  This has all our videos of our little boy studying Chinese where all of Mainland Chinese can see them.</p>
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<h3>by Mary isabella Bryson</h3>
<h3>Copyright 1900</h3>
<p class="gtxt_body" style="text-indent: 1em;">&#8220;For when we first go into a Chinese city many of the boys and girls will run away and hide themselves, afraid lest we should catch them and do some dreadful thing to them.  Some of them will run after us, calling Yang-kwei-tsz, which means something like &#8216; foreign evil spirit,&#8217; and other bad names, and a few will pick up stones and throw them at us, trying thus to drive us away.  But why are they angry when they see us coming into their cities ?&#8217; you will ask, &#8216; and why are they afraid of us ?&#8217;  Principally because we are not Chinamen, and have come from another country.  The Chinese very much dislike people of other countries coming and trading, or having any other dealings with them, and most of them would be very glad if we were all driven out of China to-morrow.  Englishmen and other foreigners would not have got into the country at all if it had not been for a great war which we had with them.  England was victorious, and so she obliged China to open several of her ports to trade with foreigners, and to allow them to live there.  And ever since, all that our nation or any other has gained from China has always been at the point of the sword, or because they were afraid of us.  So it is only natural that they are not very pleased to see us walking about the streets of their cities.</p>
<p class="gtxt_body" style="text-indent: 1em;">We try to win their friendship in many ways.  Having learnt their language, we are soon able to say a few kind words to the children, and then we often give them some little English pictures, which delight them very much.  What a number of questions they always have to ask us!   &#8216;Is there a sun and a moon in your country ?&#8217; they inquire.  &#8216; Are there hills and trees ? &#8216; &#8216; Why do you not have black eyes like ours ?  Have they faded out ?&#8217; &#8216;  Can you see with them several feet down<span class="gtxt_body"> into the earth, and know where gold and silver is lying ?&#8217;   &#8216;Why do Englishwomen have such large feet, just like men, instead of &#8220;golden lilies&#8221; three inches long?&#8217;  &#8216;Why do you wear your hair in such a strange fashion, instead of having it glued down on wire shapes ? &#8216;  &#8216; Why do foreign ladies wear coverings over their heads when they go out of doors ? It is just like the men!&#8217;  These and very many more questions are constantly asked and answered.&#8221;</span></p>
<p class="gtxt_body" style="text-indent: 1em;"><span class="gtxt_body"><em>What a difference 100 years make.  Even in Shanghai there were a few times when school students would flood you and not let you get away.  Crazy.</em></span></p>
<p class="gtxt_body" style="text-indent: 1em;"><span class="gtxt_body">Book found <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=MloLAAAAIAAJ&amp;dq=%22teaching+Chinese%22&amp;as_brr=1&amp;source=gbs_navlinks_s" target="_blank">here.</a><br />
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		<description><![CDATA[On Mastering the Form and Use of the Most Frequent Words in the Mandarin Language Chinese Recorder Volume 39 Published 1908 BY REV. D. WILLARD LYON, M.A. &#8220;IN spite of the fact that learning to write Chinese is confessedly difficult, the advantages which accrue therefrom bulk so large that nearly every language schedule calls for [...]]]></description>
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<p class="gtxt_body"><strong>Chinese Recorder Volume 39 </strong></p>
<p class="gtxt_body"><strong>Published 1908<br />
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<p class="gtxt_body" style="text-align: left;"><strong>BY REV. D. WILLARD LYON, M.A.</strong></p>
<p class="gtxt_body">&#8220;IN spite of the fact that learning to write Chinese is confessedly difficult, the advantages which accrue therefrom bulk so large that nearly every language schedule calls for more or less of it. Little thought seems to have been given, however, to determining what characters should be learned first. The student, though supposedly giving his main energy to the spoken language, is set the task of writing all the characters, frequent or infrequent, in some book with whose difficulties he is wrestling, or is told to practice some one&#8217;s list of frequent characters whose order of frequency is determined as much by we&#8221;n-li as by mandarin usage. The result is that by the time he has laboriously mastered his first five hundred characters he finds that he knows many which do not occur frequently enough in his daily reading to make it easy for him to retain them in memory, and that, furthermore, his stock of really frequent characters is so incomplete as to make it impossible for him to write many of the very simplest sentences in Chinese. Discouragement under such circumstances is not only natural but almost inevitable.</p>
<p class="gtxt_body">In the hope of being able to discover some means by which this disheartening element in the early toils of the language student might be largely eliminated, the writer, in connection with his work in the Kuling language school last year, addressed himself to finding out what the most frequently used characters in mandarin are and arranging them in an order suitable for ready acquisition. At the same time the more fundamental objective of facilitating an earlier mastery of the idiom which gathers around the commoner words was persistently kept in mind. The necessity of this latter motive was made the more evident by the observation that not a few who possess a fairly comprehensive vocabulary are very indifferent speakers of the language. The writer has even known some who, though able to write their thousand or more characters, are unable to compose a smooth Chinese sentence. Neither a large vocabulary, therefore, nor the power to write many characters, is in itself a great desideratum.* Ability to use in a correct and idiomatic way the words he learns is, after all, the chief test of the successful student.&#8221;</p>
<h6 class="gtxt_body">*I had to look this one up too.  It means something needed or wanted.</h6>
<p class="gtxt_body"><em>If this kind of scholarship was going on 100 years ago&#8230; why is there only NOW a massive interest in the study of Chinese!?</em></p>
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		<title>Old China Books: New York to Shanghai only 6 months! Truly a &#8220;Slow Boat to China.&#8221;</title>
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<p dir="ltr"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2376" title="old-china-books-logo2" src="http://www.mandmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/old-china-books-logo2.jpg" alt="old china books logo2 Old China Books: New York to Shanghai only 6 months! Truly a Slow Boat to China." width="318" height="318" />The story of the church in China</p>
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<p>By Arthur Romeyn Gray, Arthur M. Sherman</p>
<p>Published 1913</p>
<p>Part 1: The Beginnings in Shanghai</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: small;">&#8220;&#8230;it was a whole-hearted send-off, and with tears many and fears many and endless God-be-with-yous ringing in their ears, the little company sailed on December 14th in the good ship &#8220;Horatio.&#8221; </span></p>
<p class="gtxt_body" style="padding-left: 30px;"><span style="font-size: small;">It was a long journey but a restful one. Several letters were sent back by means of such vessels as were passed at sea, (that being the custom of those days when a ship was not afraid of losing a couple of hours by stopping in midocean,) and these told of some seasickness and much study of the Chinese language. One wonders which was the worst for the beginners. At length on the 24th of April Hong Kong was reached, and after a short stay there the party proceeded to Shanghai&#8230;</span></p>
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<p class="gtxt_body"><span style="font-size: small;">Shanghai at Last. The 17th of June, 1845, should be a red letter day in the history of our work in the Valley of the Yangtse, for it was then that the small party reached the city which has since been the headquarters of our work, Shanghai.</span></p>
<p class="gtxt_body"><span style="font-size: small;">What days of bewilderment must have followed! The strange looking town, the babel of incomprehensible tongues, the filthy streets, the unspeakable smells, the utter strangeness of it all! And then along with this came the feeling that they were to live in the midst of all this for—perhaps the rest of their lives.</span></p>
<p class="gtxt_body"><span style="font-size: small;">It was a very different thing to take up residence in China in those days from what it is now. No steamships or cables or posts bound the missionary to the home land. Today if a Bishop needs to he can communicate with the Board of Missions and get an answer within twenty-four hours. Then it meant anywhere from five to seven months to do this. Now, there are hospitals and doctors and railroads, but then in illness or trouble there was practically nobody or no thing to turn to. Surely those first days in Shanghai must have been days<span class="gtxt_body"> of wonderment and consternation.</span>&#8230;&#8221;<br />
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<p><span style="font-size: small;"><em>I will never complain about a long plane flight to China again.  This is truly a slow boat to China.  No wonder where this saying comes from!</em><br />
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		<title>Old China Books: &#8220;Have you ever seen a drunken Chinese?&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two intelligent wealthy business-men of the State of New York, the one a Republican and the other a Democrat talking with me on the Chinese question,]]></description>
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<p><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-2376" title="old-china-books-logo2" src="http://www.mandmx.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/old-china-books-logo2.jpg" alt="old china books logo2 Old China Books: Have you ever seen a drunken Chinese?" width="300" height="300" /><strong>Must the Chinese go?:  An examination of the Chinese question<br />
By Mrs. S. L. Baldwin<br />
Published: 1890</strong></p>
<p>Two intelligent wealthy business-men of the State of New York, the one a Republican and the other a Democrat talking with me on the Chinese question, asked, &#8220;Why do you not send us decent immigrants?&#8221;  In reply, I put the following questions and received in substance the same replies from both gentlemen:<br />
&#8220;Did you ever see a drunken Chinese?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Did you ever see a noisy, boisterous one on the streets?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Did you ever see one disturbing others, or lounging at saloons, or gossiping?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Never.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Did you ever see one on the street who did not seem to have some object in view, and to be going right toward it?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I must confess I never have.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Has a Chinese tramp ever come to your door?<br />
&#8220;Never.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Do you hear of them committing murder, burglaries or other crimes against our laws?&#8221;<br />
&#8220;No.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Will you be so kind as to inform me of any other immigrant class in regard to which you can reply in the negative as above and also what you regard as a decent immigrant?&#8221;</p>
<p>Both gentlemen honestly and frankly admitted that this was an entirely new view of the question.  Both state that they had formed their opinions from &#8220;newspaper statements,&#8221; and yet these same intelligent men read their newspapers with brain alert on every other subject than this, on which they were ready to accept the most libelous statements against a friendly nation, whose representatives were, by their own personal observation, the most inoffensive, law-abiding people of our land.  But how fearful is the responsibility of our press, which, so far from being, as it should be, the educator and conservator of the morals of the people, a mighty lever to lift them up to the nobility of true patriotism, is today in a large degree, only the tool of evil men, sacrificing right, justice and even humanity for votes!&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Apparently back then the newspapers of America were held to a much higher standard!</em></p>
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